Posts
1150
Comments
891
Trackbacks
1
Scott Guthrie's Asp.NET MVC Framework Presentation at the Alt.NET Conference

This has been posted by Scott Hanselman here.

I don't have a lot to add to what other people have been saying about the code bits (basically, rave reviews....though I expect there to be a negative blowback at some point about it being a Monorail killer and/or not implementing MVC according to some personal preferred approach).  Other than that I almost feel like hand-writing HTML.  Almost.  This is, of course, because since I am not only BlogCoward but also Rednoser, my Borg-like implants have now been triggered by the mothership.

The other thing I really liked about the presentation was Scott Guthrie and how he handled the crowd.  Sharp wit, quick on his feet.  The back and forth between him and Bellware was awesome, especially when he labeled Bellware a 'Mort' (bringing a quick round of applause from the crowd).

On a related note...those times when I've criticized Bellware, or others, I've always tried to be pretty quick that I was perfectly well aware when it was a case of the pot calling the kettle black.  As I get older, I realize I need to reign it in a bit, but, as I've told a person or two, "Life becomes a little easier once you accept that fact that you are a raging douchebag."  My Mom would say it is my Dad's fault, but I digress. 

Anyway, watching the back and forth between the 'dueling' Scotts (I put that in scarequotes since there was a lot of humor involved, and Guthrie was also very clearly talking to Bellware almost directly when presenting certain things as to read his reaction), and listening to Bellware, whom I've never met personally, I got a real sense of what it is like to be giving a presentation or conversation with myself when I am not reigning it in.  My simultaneous reaction was "Man, what a jag" and "Man, that's just awesome." 

He's still the guy who said this about people who are supposedly friends (which has led to my joke about what he must be like at dinner parties with them..."Thank me for coming....You suck....You're a sellout....You suck....Could you pass the salt?  This roast sucks", etc.), but it was fascinating for me to watch.

But, I digress.

posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 7:40 PM Print
Comments
Gravatar
# re: Scott Guthrie's Asp.NET MVC Framework Presentation at the Alt.NET Conference
Scott Belllware
10/9/2007 8:03 PM
Well Coward, when are you going to start coming to the dinner parties rather than speculate about what I may be like? You sure got a whole lot to say about stuff you aren't willing to participate in yourself.
Gravatar
# re: Scott Guthrie's Asp.NET MVC Framework Presentation at the Alt.NET Conference
jdn
10/9/2007 8:39 PM
@Scott

I'd would have *loved* to have been at the Alt.NET conference. I mistakenly thought it would have conflicted with current client work because I didn't know then what I know now. It turns out that I could have made it, but the conference filled up pretty quick. I definitely will try to make the next one.

In particular, among other things, I'd like to talk to you about your view about Story Runners. This strikes me as absolutely correct, to the extent I understand it correctly (always in question, of course, both because of your obscure way of decribing things and my lack of ability). You articulated a point that I only had a gut-reaction about, but said it really well (according to your style anyway).

Don't conflate 'inability to participate due to time constraints' with 'unwillingness to participate.' Not remotely the same. Chicago is a lovely city (would've loved to visit Austin again...only been there once), so if you're ever in town, drinks on me.

And you did call your 'friends' sellouts. It's 'in print', dude, so you can't really bitch about that.

Gravatar
# re: Scott Guthrie's Asp.NET MVC Framework Presentation at the Alt.NET Conference
Scott Belllware
10/10/2007 1:39 PM
Oh I'm not refuting that I called my friends sellouts. I'm on their backs all the time about selling out. That's the way we role. It's a community that thrives on open critique. We don't support protocols that serve to insulate our senses of ourselves from the effluence of self serving actions.

I am botching about your propensity to assume that you know much about the content and tone of those conversations with ever having made an effort to observe them in context.
Gravatar
# re: Scott Guthrie's Asp.NET MVC Framework Presentation at the Alt.NET Conference
jdn
10/10/2007 6:05 PM
Huh? You made a post and put it on your blog. There is no other context for me to observe (unless you're inviting me to a dinner party) other than that.

"We don't support protocols that serve to insulate our senses of ourselves from the effluence of self serving actions."

Man, sometimes, trying to read your prose is like trying to read Heidegger's Being and Time, e.g., "Dasein is that being whose Being is an issue for it." Except that, sometimes, I find Heidegger more readily comprehensible. I mean, I love reading your stuff, but still....

Anyways, to the extent that your statement is intelligible, I'm 64% certain its truth value is false.

But it brings about another one:

Q: What does Scott Bellware tell the waiter when returning ill-prepared food at a restaurant?

A: "This gastronomical entity is insoluble, and insufficiently participates within the eating community."

Cheers!

Gravatar
# re: Scott Guthrie's Asp.NET MVC Framework Presentation at the Alt.NET Conference
jdn
10/10/2007 6:11 PM
Oh, and the related one to this:

Q: What does Heidegger call an under-cooked baked potato?

A: "Spuds forgetful of Being."

Post Comment

Title *
Name *
Email
Url
Comment *  
Please add 7 and 7 and type the answer here: